I guess what I’m saying is, this book from 1984 is all you need, it’s basically the same thing without all the fucking insane high-priced bullshit that MTBI has turned into. I have found this basic stuff has value to me on an interpersonal level, but it’s only valuable in the same way that someone’s looks are valuable: it tells you things you might want to know about a person, sometimes useful things, and a broad image of someone, but if you use it to make too many assumptions you’re like as not to be wrong you definitely cannot ever rely on it to make a final judgement on anybody. http://www.amazon.ca/Please-Understand-Me-Character-Temperament/dp/0960695400
What they are using it for to teach in these crazy high priced seminars is kind of terrifying compared to the value I actually think it has -_-;; Not to mention the cost ripoff.
IMHO it has the sort of value that, say, tests to figure out what a child’s learning style is – once you know those things you can perhaps adapt your teaching style to help them learn better, you don’t go “oh this kid is a visual learner so I’ll kick them out of my class because I am an aural teacher”; it should be used to help understand those unlike yourself in order to find middle ground and aid in understanding that not everyone is like you but everyone has value; With keirsey types, you can use it to see if there is a gap between you and the person you are speaking to and it can help you reach for middle ground, or understand why this person may be getting upset with you or finding you frustrating, or help you figure out how to speak to them in a way that may resonate better with them, etc. It should be a tool used to aid in understanding everyone’s value, not used to make up entire profiles of strangers, or to discriminate against potential employees, or making money on teaching business people another useless language, or to put everyone into specific boxes, etc. etc. Each of the 4 dichotomies are a spectrum and an incomplete picture and any use of this system needs to recognize that.
I guess what I’m saying is that any information has value but needs to be taken with a grain of salt and no one seems to take ANY SALT AT ALL with these dumb things.
Ugh. Why. I really have only ever considered it as a sort of private-interpersonal-use/self-interest/self-help thing (sort of like guilt-free astrology since it has some actual logic behind it) and under those circumstances it’s harmless and I’ve always found it fun, but what surprised me most about this article is how often it’s being used in the workplace, which is messed up. X_X
(But then, those not-necessarily-MTBI-based personality questionaires that so many chain store jobs make you take nowadays are completely evil too. :/ )
i feel like this one might be where those terrible assessment tests you have to take on online job applications come from. and they are also super problematic in a different way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DISC_assessment
But it’s so great for prejudice! 😀 It’s sort of honestly boasting that we’ll take your money and stereotype you into one of these sixteen buckets. Please throw more money at us! You know you want to.
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I guess what I’m saying is, this book from 1984 is all you need, it’s basically the same thing without all the fucking insane high-priced bullshit that MTBI has turned into. I have found this basic stuff has value to me on an interpersonal level, but it’s only valuable in the same way that someone’s looks are valuable: it tells you things you might want to know about a person, sometimes useful things, and a broad image of someone, but if you use it to make too many assumptions you’re like as not to be wrong you definitely cannot ever rely on it to make a final judgement on anybody.
http://www.amazon.ca/Please-Understand-Me-Character-Temperament/dp/0960695400
What they are using it for to teach in these crazy high priced seminars is kind of terrifying compared to the value I actually think it has -_-;; Not to mention the cost ripoff.
IMHO it has the sort of value that, say, tests to figure out what a child’s learning style is – once you know those things you can perhaps adapt your teaching style to help them learn better, you don’t go “oh this kid is a visual learner so I’ll kick them out of my class because I am an aural teacher”; it should be used to help understand those unlike yourself in order to find middle ground and aid in understanding that not everyone is like you but everyone has value; With keirsey types, you can use it to see if there is a gap between you and the person you are speaking to and it can help you reach for middle ground, or understand why this person may be getting upset with you or finding you frustrating, or help you figure out how to speak to them in a way that may resonate better with them, etc. It should be a tool used to aid in understanding everyone’s value, not used to make up entire profiles of strangers, or to discriminate against potential employees, or making money on teaching business people another useless language, or to put everyone into specific boxes, etc. etc. Each of the 4 dichotomies are a spectrum and an incomplete picture and any use of this system needs to recognize that.
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I’ll just leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyers_Briggs#Criticism
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I guess what I’m saying is that any information has value but needs to be taken with a grain of salt and no one seems to take ANY SALT AT ALL with these dumb things.
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Heather Morton : certainly agree with that! 🙂
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I used to work in a department that did the testing once a year and the supervisor lived by it.
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Ugh. Why. I really have only ever considered it as a sort of private-interpersonal-use/self-interest/self-help thing (sort of like guilt-free astrology since it has some actual logic behind it) and under those circumstances it’s harmless and I’ve always found it fun, but what surprised me most about this article is how often it’s being used in the workplace, which is messed up. X_X
(But then, those not-necessarily-MTBI-based personality questionaires that so many chain store jobs make you take nowadays are completely evil too. :/ )
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i feel like this one might be where those terrible assessment tests you have to take on online job applications come from. and they are also super problematic in a different way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DISC_assessment
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Fwiw I think most of the other tests listed there sound even more pseudosciencey. Which one specifically do you think is better?
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But it’s so great for prejudice! 😀 It’s sort of honestly boasting that we’ll take your money and stereotype you into one of these sixteen buckets. Please throw more money at us! You know you want to.
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Thanks for the term “guilt-free astrology”! 😀 *adopts*
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